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Carbonneau anxious to discuss junior brawl with Roy

BILL BEACON

Canadian Press

Latest comment posted at 4:15 PM EST 26/03/08

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  1. D M from Canada writes: Guy Carbonneau has it right on. If someone doesn't want to fight, you don't fight. Otherwise, it's assault...
  2. Chris Michaels from Oakville, Canada writes: D M from Canada writes: Guy Carbonneau has it right on. If someone doesn't want to fight, you don't fight. Otherwise, it's assault...

    Exactly!! Even on teams that I've played on, our own teammates would frown on any player taking advantage of an opponent and/or hitting guys who are already on the ice. If a guy goes down, he's done...or, if the refs have tied him up...you'd stop throwing the moment you recognized this. It was just seen as cowardly and not tough.

    I also think that the linesman should have allowed that Sags player to save his goaltender. He should understand the situation enough to know that he was just coming to the aid of his teammate.
  3. Penny B from edmonton, Canada writes: I quess father like son.Need i say anymore the apple dosen't fall far the tree.Just because you have a famous father.Dosen't mean that you can get a way with punishing people [like those two did.]
  4. J Law from Canada writes: Why do police talk about charges may be laid. This I gotta see.
  5. Robert Boyd from Windsor, Canada writes: Why bother, all you'll get is self serving twaddle.
    No one expects anything approaching the truth from pampered little men who are told from the time that they can hold a stick, that the sun shines out of their fundamental orifice.

    'He's the only one that really knows what happened. Until he comes out and says what happened, it's anybody's guess.'
  6. Pat Billings from CDN, Canada writes: Wow. People love to slag St-Patrick. Carbo comes out as a smart guy once again. He actually knows the guy, why can't people side with him.

    If his last name was Sutter or if he played for the leaf and won a few cups, I don't believe any of this would be happening. Instead he's french and he's one of the greatest Hab ever.

    There was a much more dangerous incident that occured in the Q on Saturday night where a forward skated the length of the ice and took out the goaltender at full speed. Nobody is talking about it because St-Patrick wasn't involved.
  7. alex just a canadian from Canada writes: until somebody is brought to court and put in jail hockey will remain as a garage league. The pros minors etc... time and time again we have witnessed that they cannot police themselves or the mear fact that there are different standards depending on who you are. I grew up admiring patrick roy, now he is no more than a goon who will probably be the last canadien to have his number retired and that blemish.

    For all of us who play for fun, indoor or out, if anyone of us ever pulled stunts like we have seen in the past few years, i'm sure we would not be sitting at home.

    This used to be a great game, hard hitting fast the way it was meant to be. My question is why even bother with a players association, clearly they can't respect each other. What do they talk about at the table [hey you nearly broke my neck last week, or that was a cheap shot it hurt] Even worst is that it is now moving to lower levels. No wonder the talent pool is getting smaller.

    QJHL could have set the bar, but like campbell and the nhl they let the opportunity go. Hopefully no one will ever die by subpar players, but at this rate if the violence is starting this young it will only be a matter of time.
  8. Juan Valasquez from Scarborough, Canada writes: His son is a terrible goalie on a good day.
    He was simply taking out his frustrations on a much better goaltender.
    Can you blame him?
    Jonathan Roy's future lies behind the counter at Burger King.
  9. bill williams from Canada writes: -

    Sport -- pro and amateur -- has demonstrated that it is not capable of managing its affairs. Call the cops and shut'em down. It's destructive of our society for kids or Dad's to even know that this kind of 'goonishness' could happen. Hockey is dieing a slow death, and it's all left in the hands of a guy like Gary Bettman? Shut'em down. The big debate? What's Don Cherry gonna say? WHO CARES?

    -
  10. bob smith from Canada writes: Shameful act by the Roy's. Patrick clearly signalled his son to take on the other goalie (after whistling to get his attention). His son for some reason got pumped up as if his personal honour had been offended by a goalie resting on his crossbar 200 feet away. Even Ray Emery had the sense to lay off Biron after he knocked him down. Jonathon looked like a fool.

    The linesmen also looked horrible out there. Granted, things got crazy, but why do they always split up and run around like chickens with their heads cut off? It makes things much more dangerous when you've got one guy trying to break up a fight. Work in pairs, break them up one at a time and escort the players off the ice two at a time. They could have had that ice cleared in 8 minutes if they knew what they were doing.
  11. Chris Michaels from Oakville, Canada writes: alex just a canadian from Canada writes: until somebody is brought to court and put in jail hockey will remain as a garage league.....

    I love out posters like Alex (and, sorry, just using you as the example) love to sound alarm bells and make generalizing, sweeping statements about the state of our game.

    This situation, and the one in the Gatineau game are pretty infrequent events. I think junior hockey is in fine shape in this country -- and our gold medal haul is testament to that. Let's not forget that these are 17-19 year olds out there....with 5,000 people roaring behind them.

    Tell me you, as an 18 year old male didn't pull a few idiotic stunts that probably weren't all that wise.

    Easily some of the best hockey I've seen this year has been from the few broadcasts of OHL games. I believe it was Kitchener and the Soo who played on Sportsnet a month or so ago -- blew the doors off of most NHL games.
  12. steve allan from Welland, Ontario, Canada writes: The crazy thing about this whole incident is that the Sags came out on the short end of the stick. They lost a couple of their top players whereas the Remparts lost a bunch of nobody's.

    It certainly showed last night who got it worse!
  13. Dennis sinneD. from Calgary, Canada writes:

    Young Roy needs a lesson... I wonder who's gonna give it to him? What is old man Roy gonna say about it when it happens?

    Isn't that the way hockey is played in da big leagues?
  14. Richard Hawrelak from Sarnia, Canada writes: Fight - you're out. Next fight, you're out for ten. Next fight, you're out for good [three strikes and you're out]. Return hockey to those that love the beauty of the game, not the 'gong' of it. Roys are pathetic.
  15. jack doober from brantford, Canada writes: I watch womens hockey..It is clean and fast and much more entertaining..
  16. John E. Boy from Canada writes: Spare me the mock horror. If you look at the history of hockey, it shows that we Canadians love the violence as it continues to exist. If we didn't, someone would have tried to stop it by now. Hockey is as popular as it ever was. Television continues to show these incidents over and over and we continue to watch. Nobody is changing channels. Chris Pronger is suspended for eight games for kicking Ryan Kesler with his skate, while Jonathan Roy gets seven games for fighting a player who doesn't want to fight. Yet Jonathan Roy and his famous father are getting far more attention from the media and the public. Plu-e-e-a-s-e!
  17. Blue Nose from Canada writes: 7 games isn't enough. 70 is more like it as that will end this idiot's junior career.
  18. alex just a canadian from Canada writes: Chris Michaels from Oakville, that is correct I did do something vindictive, and at the end of the season decided I would never be in that state of mind and haven't played proffessional ever since.

    But you seem to miss the point, we have great games in juniors and pros, its not the medal count that makes it right. It is the mentality of the players and fans with the league. Proof lies in the criminal code look up assult, but because it is sport [all] it can get a free pass.

    Just take the Pronger case, or how many brawl have there been in juniors this year.
  19. SY GIL from TO, Canada writes: I guess the Quebec jr. league is run like the NHL. A 7 game suspension is a joke. The kid skated from one end of the rink to the other, pulled the guy's mask off, punched the guy repeatedly when the victim offered no resistance. That's both cowardly and criminal. I hope the police will get involved. A season's suspension is more appropriate given the lack of remorse toward the victim.
  20. garlick toast from Canada writes: it's tough to watch someone i admired as a player turn out to be an s$$hole as a father and coach.i grew up playing hockey and started watching it when they wouldn't show the first 10 mins. of the game to protect ticket sales.
    i still watch it[habs fan] but i can't stand the direction it's taking.the oversized pads, composite sticks,all that.
    so ban fighting and institute a card system like soccer in addition to the penalty calls.it's amazing how much the refs miss.they need off-ice backup to catch the stuff like diving and blindside elbows.
  21. guy tozer from Saskatoon, Canada writes: It's just a game for overpaid thugs
  22. pete kaplan from montreal, Canada writes: Typical garbage
  23. Ben SGT/USMC from United States writes:

    jack doober from brantford, Canada writes:

    ' I watch womens hockey..It is clean and fast and much more entertaining..'

    This comment sums it all up for me.

    Unbelievable.

    If a man who prefers women's hockey saw a woman make the opposing goaltender cry after scoring a goal on her call for a police investigation?

    Probably.
  24. george simko from Canada writes: M.M.from Calgary:
    This kind of sophomoric logic is prevasive in our society, especially
    out West.What a pathetic attitude of entitlement.When will you in good conscience stop espousing this drivil? You should think and
    save what dignity, you may still be able to salvage. Finally,I most
    certainly don't need some sanctimonious lecture from a self-rightous
    apologist.Your post is an indication how low acceptable discourse has recently sunk.
  25. Ryan M from Canada writes: Pat Billings, shockingly, to the defence of 'St. Patrick'.

    Pat, yes, he was a very talented hockey player, and one of the best Habs in recent years.

    This sort of hype is expected as Roy is a high profile guy - yes, especially in Quebec.

    This sort of attention isn't limited to the Habs.

    Perhaps you recall Domi being crucified by the media in the past couple of years for the Stronich affair, the attack on his son's coach, etc? And Domi sucked. Imagine the hype if something similar happened with Sutter.

    Just asking...
  26. nigel martin from Canada writes: This may have been an attempt by a second-string, second-rate goalie to get the opponent's vastly superior goalie suspended for a few games. Nadeau was too smart to bite. The Remparts still came out ahead tho. A very cynical approach to win at any cost.
  27. Ben SGT/USMC from United States writes:


    Goalie fights...although not frequent, have happened in the past and are in some way, 'part of the game.'

    I find them kind of funny, in fact. As though a goaltender could, or should logically be mad at the other one across the rink. Makes no sense whatsoever, but fun to watch.

    As a netminder myself for a bunch of my younger years, as well as in some raucous games in late-night men's leagues...I hope to think that there would have been more virtue in decking the @sshole skating across the rink to attack me.

    Curl up in a fetal position? Not so much...

    A cup protects b@lls ... But not in women's hockey....
  28. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Carbonneau (and the rest of the Habs organization) should simply distant themselves from the whole Roy fasco in the same manner that Mr. Roy previously walked out on the Habs organization after one of his infamous temper tantrums. The Habs organization should refuse any comment and let the Quebec police investigation into this matter do what it is supposed to do. The Habs do not need any distractions of this type at this time of the season. That said... Unfortunately, you can probably count on les idiots at La Presse to turn this into some French-English matter.... invariably the Sutters will be brought up... Although I also do not consider this a political matter, Jean Charest was quoted as saying that this matter was unacceptable and will not be tolerated in the QJMHL in the future. As a consumer, however, if such events continue to occur, my three children and I will simply to refuse to purchase tickets to QJMHL games in Halifax -- which is likely the biggest punishment that the QJMHL could incur for such events. With respect to discipline, someone mentioned three strikes and you're out.... Patrick Roy has had two already in the QJMHL... Recall Patrick's behaviour in the Memorial Cup in Moncton towards Ted Nolan's team a few years back... Despite his hall of fame status, do Canadians really want 18 years old learning these temper tantrums tactics from Mr. Roy ? Rink rage must end, and Don Cherry should be put out to pasture along with his cans of blue and white facepaint and 'rock 'em, sock 'em' antics... PS... Ben SGT/USMC ... Are there any community hockey rinks in Florida? Serious question.
  29. Link Hogbrow from Canada writes: Best one on one I've seen? Hextall of the Flyers skating the length of the ice to join a brawl. The Leaf's Felix Potvin was minding his own business, but Hextall saw an easy mark ... he thought.

    Potvin, son of a devastating fighter in the old Quebec League, hammered the snot out of Hextall.

    Nothing to do with the broohaha the other night. Just thought I'd throw it in here.

    Put it this way. If there was another psycho waiting for Roy at the other end, the Quebec goaltender might well have eaten three feet of hickory before throwing a single punch. Careful what you wish for Jonathan.
  30. Ben SGT/USMC from United States writes:

    Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada;

    "PS... Ben SGT/USMC ... Are there any community hockey rinks in Florida? Serious question."

    Can only answer that from my particular vantage point.... NO!

    Well, not close by that is... Just south of Tampa, you could find a rink in Brandon... There, you would find a nice twin-rink arena where my family went skating a while back. I'm sure that one could join in a league there. Farther south, there's an arena in Bradenton. So, to answer your question, I would have to travel some 50 miles north, or about the same south to Ft.Myers to find ice.

    If there would be any reason whatsoever that I miss Quebec, it would be the ability to round up the kids and walk to an outdoor rink down the street and play a pick-up game.

    And beat up the goalie.
  31. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Ben SGT/USMC from United States:

    lol... I get the majority of my on-ice kicks these days from clubbing baby seals in Atlantic Canada... the cuter, the better...

    This situation is sorta funny because Roy hasn't really changed... He's still the same whacko that he was when he was winning Cups for the Habs when you and I were growing up in Montreal... I wonder if he still talks to the goalposts from the bench?

    The QJMHL is what has changed... The games are really much more exciting when talent is the determing factor and the flow is better without the fights... Hockey brawls are just too damned inconvenient for busy fans with places to be in the morning.... oh..... and little kiddies watching, of course...

    PS... Speaking of Patrick, do you remember the real reason the Habs had to trade Chris Chelios? I'm not telling if you don't...
  32. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Wow, it's all coming together here... isn't it?

    Chris Chelios (last post) .... Ron Hextall (3 posts ago)

    What suspension did Hextall ever get for that attempt at decapitation?
  33. Link Hogbrow from Canada writes: I forget. But he made the mistake of discarding his stick when he went after Felix.
  34. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Link Hogbrow from Canada...

    Felix Potvin and Billy Smith were both bigger head cases than Patrick ever was...

    Mariposa Belle from Leacockland tells me that all goaltenders are crazy by the time they turn five years old...

    That's why I really admire the apparently sane ones like Martin Brodeur and Ken Dryden... Carey Price also seems sane.

    PS... It was a 12 game suspension in the following season that Hextall got for his attempted hatchet job on Chelios in the playoffs... I looked it up.
  35. garlick toast from Canada writes: robert miller,regarding roy quitting the habs. the team quit that night in front of him. i don't know what the coach[rejean houle?] was doing,leaving him in for a drubbing. savard was g.m. and in the stands that night. all in all a bad end to a reasonable career with the habs.
  36. Alberto Bayo from Canada writes: The infamous game against the Detroit Red Wings...Mario Tremblay had already quit on Roy. St. Patrick was the most innovative goalie of his generation, and two Cup banners (86 and 93) hang in Montreal because of him and his two Conn Smythe trophies. He may not be a great man...but he's one of the greatest Canadien's players.
  37. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Garlick Toast from Canada:

    I actually lived in Montreal at the time, and Patrick Roy was a prima donna who demanded his own way many, many times... The Montreal media covered up a plenty for the local hero... Do you know of another goalie that would demand a trade for letting in 8 goals?

    However, that being said. Mario Tremblay (another local hero, home boy) did not have the intelligence to run the bar at the old Montreal Forum ... let alone be coaching the team during the infamous 8 goal drubbing at the hands of Detroit... It was one of the many moronic decisions that Montrealers (et les idiots at La Presse) have hopefully now moved beyond...

    We'll see!
  38. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Alberto Bayo from Canada:

    Ken Dryden won 6 Cups as a Montreal Canadien... and was a great sportsman too...

    While many Montreal fans bring up Carey Price's name with Patrick Roy, I actually hope that we, Habs fans, are seeing the birth of the next Ken Dryden...

    So far, I have not been disappointed...
  39. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Link Hogbrow from Canada:

    Sorry ---- correction to my 11:48 PM...

    I meant to say that "Ron Hextall and Billy Smith were both bigger head cases than Patrick ever was..."

    Felix Potvin was a classy player...
  40. Rob Gilgan from Canada writes: "If his last name was Sutter or if he played for the leaf and won a few cups, I don't believe any of this would be happening. Instead he's french and he's one of the greatest Hab ever."

    I think you're wrong - this debacle would have sulied the Sutter name as well. That said, I don't see a Sutter either punching someone who wasn't game or ever punching someone who's down and out. J. Roy is going to be a long, long time living this one down.
  41. Chris Michaels from Oakville, Canada writes: Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Link Hogbrow from Canada:
    Sorry ---- correction to my 11:48 PM...
    I meant to say that "Ron Hextall and Billy Smith were both bigger head cases than Patrick ever was..."

    Felix Potvin was a classy player...

    Yeah, I was gonna say!!
    I really don't get why a few isolated incidents would be allowed to spoil it for everyone.

    When I go see OHL games, what I like most about them is the intensity. Fantastic quick hockey, crisp passing, up and down pace, lots of hitting and, periodically, a good spirited scrap.

    Where NHL players largely go through the motions on many nights, the juniors (whether they mean to or not) bring a whole pile of emotion to the game. That unbridled-ness makes it unique. And, the odd fight compliments that (and is, arguably, a bit of a safety valve) quite well.

    If you want to get rid of something, get rid of idiots like Jonathan Roy...don't let clowns like him alter the sport.
  42. wayne powers from saskatoon, writes: Hey look at the Quebec teams history, and this is just the same old stuff. All you people forget when the St Catharines Blackhawks withdrew from the playoffs in the early 70s???. The Blackhawks refused to go back to Quebec city and the series was handed to Quebec. My father the most non-aggressive man on earth was beatup by quebec fans. Hockey Canada tries to hide the fact that the Ramparts have a very violent history, and nothing has EVER been done to put a stop to it. It sells ticket is always the same answer.

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