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DAVID SHOALTS

From Monday's Globe and Mail

Latest comment posted at 7:55 AM EST 24/03/08

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  1. Natalie R from Canada writes: Stajan: 'What I do think is when he is in the lineup, we've got to do a little more. I think guys sit back and try and wait for him to do something, when we should take it on ourselves to do something.'

    You think?!

    These next two weeks are going to be brutally long. Hopefully Stajan isn't talking a bunch of BS, because with the looks of it, Sundin may be back this week.
  2. Byron Yankou from Toronto, Canada writes: Saturday nights Leaf game was one of the best I've seen them play in several years. Five goals, great goaltending, skating their guts out to reach the puck first in battles along the board. Great open ice checks, some fists flying. Extremely entertaining, but aggravating procrastination. Why did they wait until they were out of it.
  3. Hap Stokes from Canada writes: My Easter Prayer.

    Dear CBC please, please, in the name of God, the Oilers are making a run, an exciting run for the play-offs. I know they are a BIG 3 points back and really don't have much hope of catching Colorado--BUT

    Those Oilers have a far, far, more & better chance than Toronto.

    Split the National God, give unto Toronto the comedy of the Leafs.
    And God grant unto the rest of us some hockey for a change

    PS--I Pray for the Canucks and also the Bruin's (used 2Bfarm hand).
    Any team so long as it isn't NYI, Tampa Bay or (you know who else)

    And God do not harken unto David Shoalts anymore.
    For he has been stricken with that disease Torontoneish Playoffish.
  4. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    So the question becomes,'Who are the REAL Toronto Maple Leafs, and why the Dr. Jekyl-Mr. Hide schizophrenic performance of the beginning of the season and now? The Million dollar question! Did Maurice lose the team in Novenber, but got it back in February? Subtle changes in the system?

    Look, I really respect and love watching Sundin play, he has it all, but perhaps his time is up in Toronto. Let's look at the realities:1) The Leafs have not made the playoffs in the last three years. 2) I'll make a blasphemous statement; the Leafs look and are better without Sundin.

    It kind of reminds me of the older cousin who has outlived his usefullness having shacked up at your house. Nice guy, good worker, good experiences, very protective, but has taken up too much room and has become stale- not allowing the younger ones to spread their own wings and achieve on their own.

    Anyhow, these games aren't really pressure games as the leafs are supposed to lose. They are playing lose.

    A REAL pressure game will be when they actually are playing a game for the 8th playoff spot. It might happen in game 82 if all the stars line up. Then we will see how the react to pressure!
    .
  5. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Hap Stokes.. pray to whatever gods you choose Hap... even use a voodoo doll if need be.

    Saturday is Leafs / Habs.

    And if you don't think the Habs would love to put them out of their collective misery after last year.... well dude you haven't been paying attention.

    Cheers
  6. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Good Morning Rob... you are getting up and I am getting home. Oops.

    Your first question concerning Maurice... well the difference that I see is Raycroft is no longer part of the experiment... Neither are Wozniewski and Gill.

    Maurice still has Blake on the ice in critical situations.. (I know he is playing with Stajan and Tucker... but still no excuse).

    Who made the decisions to give those players the minutes they got? Who made the decision that Blake should get Tuckers minutes?

    I blame Maurice... with some nudges that he could have refused from JFJ.

    Sundin? I refer you to Natalies quote in the first post.

    I however beg to differ on Natalies opinion on the quote.

    I think it's about time a Leaf stated publicly that maybe the rest of them are 'waiting' for Mats to do it.

    Give me two wins over Boston and lets see who shows up against the Habs on Saturday.... I have cancelled all previous engagements.

    Cheers.
  7. Baldy Cotton from Canada writes: After watching this Leaf act for most of the last 41 years, I'm just so fed up with the perennial scramble to play well after it's too late. So many times over the years . . . and carbon-copy finishes the last three seasons consecutively! Um, fellas, where were you when the the Caps were shuffling their way to a 7-1 win? [etc., etc.] Put it to rest, lads--get the draft pick and toss the hand grenade in the board room. If Stamkos slips away, then take some other blue-chipper who's not named Luca Cereda. Bring back the Maple Leafs of yore . . . introduce Peddie to the wood chipper out back, and enough with the dime store Herb Brooksian stabs at a miracle playoff spot by the Toronto Tanenbaums.
  8. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Good Morning Rob... you are getting up and I am getting home. Oops.

    Morning Scot.....I won't even ask.......! :-)

    Just looking at some stats that you mentioned;

    Raycroft: From the start of the year until January 20th (and HE hasn't played since) his record was 2 Wins and 12 Loses!

    Toskala: From the start of the season until January 20th his record was
    16 wins-16 loses:

    Since January 20th Toskala 's record was 16 wins- 11 loses

    Toskal totals for the year:....32 wins-27 loses
    Raycroft totals for the year: 2 wins-12 loses

    Maybe Maurice waited too long to go with Toskala, but was that his decision alone, or was JFJ pulling the strings to prove he made a right decision trading for Raycroft? I believe the latter. Having two 'supposed' number ones is a recipe for disaster.

    That, once again, just proved how JFJ and his staff DID NOT have the ability to evaluate talent or understand dressing room chemistry......thank god he is gone! Since JFJ firing-the team is 16-11!
    .
  9. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Baldy.... you are preaching to the converted :) but we fans can't help ourselves... again. At least they have made the tail end of the season well worth the money we pay for the damn tickets. Cheers Rob.... don't ask... I'm tired. :) Your goalie stats don't make my point.... :( .. thanks :) I thought Toskala should have been number 1 from the beginning ... with maybe every fourth game to Raycroft.... didn't do my way. My point was more about the others anyway... especially Wozniewski and Blake. Jay Harrison has still not seen a minute of NHL time this year. Not happy with that... not quite sure what I am missing on that one. Kronwall thru the best check of any leaf all year last night.... then stood up for himself after delivering a good clean check... Haven't seen much of that this year either. Soft team.. way too soft. The big questions that are coming up are.... 'who leaves this summer?' Team needs a shake up... so who stays and who goes? (Hearing some old Clash in my ears). Is Kubina better than McCabe? We only need one of that type of defenseman. Are White and Stralman the puck movers making Kaberle expendable? Hint... Kaberle is the softest. Are Steen, Stajan and Poni worth top 6 forward prices? Blake and Tucker are not... yet we are only supposed to be paying 6 of them. Do we bring back Sundin? Cheers
  10. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Sorry.... blew my 1200 characters by 200..

    Realized to late and my paragraphs disappear.

    Will clarify for anybody that cares.

    Cheers
  11. R. Carriere from Maritimes, Canada writes:

    Scot Loucks from Pickering,

    They should limit the free agants to affordable gritty guys like Michael Ryder (27 years old) and .....yea, Sean Avery (he's only 27 too) and leave the Markus Naslunds and Marian Hossas to others. Great players but would not put the Leafs over the top and would cost way too much money.And the Leafs don't need defencemen.........

    Or they can look at it another way. Check out the very top teams in the league whose youngsters are UFA's and see if they can fit in on the cheap. Just because a youngster doesn't make these teams' first 3 lines, doesn' mean they are bad players.

    I would look real close at Detroit-San Jose-Anaheim-Dallas-New Jersey-Pittsburgh organizations...those kids would have been around proven winners...

    At the end of the day though, they can't scew up the draft this year-deep!
    .
  12. sam themacman from Waterloo, Canada writes: While it would be sweet to see the Habs put the Laughs out on the last game of the year, I would rather see the Bruins do it for me, and sweep both games from these Laughs. Would somebody finally drive the stake through the heart of this team, please? The only way CBC will broadcast other teams is for this miserable team to crash and burn. The sooner the better. I agree with many that I am sick of the Laughs dominating the air time on a supposed National network that is publicly owned by the tax payers. I don't care about the statistics of the viewing audience. The rest of the country needs equal opportunity at viewing time. But the CBC is not doing anything to remedy that, and neither are their employees from McLean, Cherry, and even the Hotstove segment. All of them are Toronto home boys! I am sick and tired of it. Although I don't care about either of the Alberta teams, the very fact that they are so different in their broadcasts on the CBC makes me watch them. ANYTHING OTHER THAN TORONTO! Please, CBC and Globe and Mail, if you are NATIONAL media outlets, start acting like it!
  13. Allan Martel from Canada writes:

    There once was a policeman in the United States who had big ideas and high hopes of arresting Al Capone and his cronies for murder, racketeering, extortion etc.

    He failed in all of these attempts until he took the advice of a junior accountant who suggested the possibility of tax evasion and voila, the rest is history.

    That accountant is still alive today and he issues the same advice to Leaf Nation fans pursuing their unlikely dream of a playoffs spot in 2008.

    His advice of long ago, applies perfectly to the Leafs chances of making the playoffs this year and in the foreseeable future -

    "Hope Less Ness".
  14. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Ouch... offered a link and comment to Damien Cox article and it gets removed (7:40am).

    Sam themacman; Get over it..... I really hate listening to you whiners.

    You don't like it? Pay some money for choice. I do. Oh and I still watch my Leafs.

    Allan Martel; Pretty much a lost cause.... but they are playing a hell of a lot better than most teams in the east heading for the playoffs.

    Fun to watch (and hope) for the fans..... so how are your teams fans doing? Bunch of broken ankles I heard.

    Cheers

    So sad.. I hate Cox.
  15. Patrick G from Calgary, Canada writes: Hap,

    With the two different time zones, you'll likely get your wish of seeing the Oilers play, especially since the Flames were on the late game out in Alberta this past weekend. BTW, both the Leafs and the Oilers are in the same predicament in terms of points behind, teams to overtake and inter-division matchups. Both teams have to play perfect down the stretch, but the good news for you is that Colorado is tanking so maybe your assessment of the Oilers having a better chance isn't so far off, but trust me, you added a two too many 'fars' in your post.

    Scot, IMHO, Harrison is even a lesser NHL ready D man than Woz and that's saying a lot. Granted, Harrison plays tougher, but bringing up Kronwall was the best things to do.
  16. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Patrick... agree on Kronwall... but not Wozniewski. Harrison will at least hit and fight. (Oshawa lad).

    Wozniewski was there because they would lose him if they put him back down thru waivers.... (Like anybody else wanted him).... a JFJ choice for sure (in my mind :) )

    Cheers
  17. George E. Porgie from Moonscape, Canada writes: Just back from outer..who knows where!

    Found out that the Leafs are again making a run for that last playoff spot.

    Seems like another valiant effort..perhaps too late...but,it sure does keep us glued to our tv's.

    Go Leafs Go
  18. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: George... good comment .. terrible moniker.

    Cheers
  19. J.C. Petite from Toronto, Canada writes: Watch the highlights of this game on the Globe and Mail video section and watch when Stajan scores the go ahead goal. The camera cuts to two Leaf fans cheering gleefully and two Sens fans hanging their heads in shame and defeat. The look of utter devastation is priceless, it was at that moment that I was once again proud to be a Leaf fan this season. Also, why the heck is Joe Bowen not calling the games on CBC. Did anyone tune into to AM640 and listen to the passion in his vocie. WOW! Bob Cole please get lost. Just a quick note on the game on Sat. Martin Gerber is not the answer to the goaltending problem. Ottawa needs to rid themselves of both these goaltenders. Did anybody see the horrendous rebounds that Gerber was giving up?? OMG, the one on the Darcy Tucker tally was atrocious, albeit I didn't mind at all. GO LEAFS GO!
  20. Natalie R from Canada writes: GO LEAFS GO!

    Doesn't my optimism make you want to laugh?

    Well, I think they stand a chance.

    They've outmatched the teams they'll play this season (as far as stats go.) We've won our last three games against Boston. Our last four games against Ottawa. In our six games with Montreal we've won three. And we won 2 of our three games with the Capitals. The last one March 1st.

    But these ARE only numbers. If Toronto continue to play this way, winning the last 6 games in regulation time, then whose to say we won't make it?

    Ottawa have got to beat the Sabs. Possible. March 25.
    TB need to win against Florida. Tough luck. :( March 25.
    Washington need to lose to Carolina. Carolina have won the last three games they've played. March 25.
    Rangers could beat Philly. March 25.
    And THAN we have to pull a double win against Boston. We'd have 84 points. March 25 and 27.

    The standings would be:
    Flyers 86
    Boston 84
    Leafs 84
    Capitals 82
    Sabres 81
    Panthers 81

    ^ That would take a HUGEEEEEE miracle to happen. But all in retrospect, this could be a outcome. Nonetheless, March 25th seems to be the day to hold the fate of the Leafs in its hands.
  21. Allan Martel from Canada writes: Natalie R

    As I read your posting I kept hearing the strains of an oldie goldie tune from the 40s bubbling up. For a while I couldn't place it but then it came to me as these things often do, and I remembered the title.

    The song is called Beautiful Dreamer.

    Applying the rules from Statistics regarding joint probabilities to your scenario above, the Leafs chances of being in the position that you describe on March 25th are about one tenth of one per cent.

    Still, I believe in credit where it's due, and the Leafs are now playing excellent hockey. How laughable is it that there won't be any changes needed after they miss the playoffs again this year because they've "shown what they can do".

    Leaf Nation lament - "In the sumertime, when all the leaves on trees are green, I'll be blue.."
  22. J.C. Petite from Toronto, Canada writes: HAHA, Martel you are so lame.....keep cheering for your beloved Sens. They have as much a chance of making the Stanley Cup finals as the Leafs do. Its funny because if the Leafs actually did squeeze in, they would go further than the Sens and you know it!
  23. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Oh he got ya Allan Martel... atta go drew (JC Petite).

    and Allan... how dare you pick on one of the few of the female persuasion we get on this thread.

    tut tut dude.
  24. Allan Martel from Canada writes: Hi Scot

    I'm not picking on Natalie R. - just analysing the underpinnings of her rationale.

    I even gave the Leafs credit for playing good hockey in my posting.

    JC - As to the Leafs getting further than the Sens in the playoffs, well, we'll never know will we? Not this year, not next year, not.....
  25. J.C. Petite from Toronto, Canada writes: Suuuurrreee Martel, keep telling yourself that. I think in the years to come we will see a re-build in the Leafs system and a rise back to a competitive franchise. However, the Sens will start a decline from the top, as their captain(much like the Leafs) is not getting any younger and the dream line will be split up. They will have to find themselves a #1 starter once and for all and will need to address their issues on the blueline. IMO the Ottawa Sens had their chance and they blew it, since then, they have allowed bits and pieces of the team to slip away and the chemistry is not what it used to be. Are they still a good team? Sure they are, but a powerhouse they are not. Much like the Leafs, it appears that they will have to build again to get to the top and if you think that Nick Foligno is the answer to the Sens future........I dont see too many studs in the Sens farm either.
  26. Patrick G from Calgary, Canada writes: Scot,

    I thought Woz already was sent down and came back once earlier this season and cleared waivers before he was sent back down (hopefully for good) this last time. Worse still, why am I asking? :) Alas, I am resigned to cheering for my #2 team, Da Flames in the playoffs. I'm one of those pessemistic Leafs fans and wished they would play to the bottom 5 of the league. Sad, but true.
  27. D K from Canada writes: You mean all they have to do is win all their games and hope everyone else loses all theirs? Sounds as likely as last year.

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    " J.C. Petite from Toronto, Canada writes: HAHA, Martel you are so lame.....keep cheering for your beloved Sens. They have as much a chance of making the Stanley Cup finals as the Leafs do. Its funny because if the Leafs actually did squeeze in, they would go further than the Sens and you know it!"
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Most pathetic Leaf post ever. Maybe they should be renamed the Toronto Maple Ifs.
  28. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Patrick G; Watched the flames game on Saturday.... my hope from the Canadian west for sure.

    What a goal by Phaneuf. What a performance by Iginla..

    No worries Patrick.... thanks for commenting.. always appreciated ... believe me.

    cheers.
  29. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: ah... D K shows up.... feel free to post D K if you ever have anything intelligent to say.

    I'm not holding my breathe.
  30. j wilson from vancouver, Canada writes: The Leafs need to win 5 of 6 to hope for a place the playoffs, any way you slice it. They may need all 6 wins, as any ties would likely go to the other team (the Leafs would have fewer wins. Anybody know if a 1-game playoff can happen when teams have the same number of points but different win-loss records?)

    Anyway, it might not be likely, but it's a lot more likely than it was a month ago.

    Go Buds!
  31. J.C. Petite from Toronto, Canada writes: D K I can also say that IF the Sens somewhow manage to get past the first round of the playoffs, they surely will get eliminated in the 2nd round. Or if Marting Gerber can manage to stop the majority of pucks shot at him in the playoffs, I will be surprised. It's a world of IF's my friend.
  32. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: Hap Stokes from Canada:

    Don't count the Oilers out just yet?

    At 3 points out and in 10th place (not 12th), their Oilers' odds of seeing the post season are much greater than another Canadian team that will remain nameless.

    Avs goaltender, Jose Theodore, is also capable of unbelievable inconsistency and total collapse in the face of pressure as you saw on Saturday...

    Go Oil Go !!
  33. Robert Miller from Halifax, Canada writes: What Mr. Shoalts doesn't mention is that the 12th place Leafs have only 6 games remaining and are still 4 points behind the 8th place Bruins (who also have a game in hand...)

    As well, two teams between the Leafs and the playoffs are also surging (Washington 7W-3L and Florida 8W-1L-1OTL) and the Leafs haven't gained any recent ground on these teams.

    Plus, the Leafs have two games against the Habs who are trying to solidify their first place standing so that they might face the Bruins in the first round -- a team that the Habs own...

    Maybe, some of you see where I am going with this... Still if it comes down to the Flyers and the Leafs for eighth, I gotta hope for the Leafs...

    We've down all we can for the patient... There is nothing more that we can do...
  34. Scot Loucks from Pickering, Canada writes: Bout time you got here Robert Milller :)

    To rephrase your comment from a Leaf perspective...

    The Leafs can win the next two games against the Bruins... effectively catching them and putting them out of the playoffs.

    Where the leafs are sitting on Saturday when they play the Habs will still be totally dependant on what happens in the games between now and then involving Florida, Washington, Buffalo, Phili and Carolina.

    I have still not paid for my Leaf playoff tickets. :)

    Cheers
  35. Natalie R from Canada writes: Martel:

    A Beautiful Dreamer?

    Do I come into these discussions and blantly put out there that I KNOW the Leafs will make the playoffs? No. I still have a decent amount of pride to refrain from making such off-handed remarks.

    I have my points, my numbers and common sense. The Leafs have less than a slim chance to make the playoffs.

    Thanks Scot for your help.

    GO LEAFS GO!!
  36. Allan Martel from Canada writes: Natalie R.

    I in no way intended to annoy or slander you with my post and I apologise if you took offence. Yours was a reasoned argument and the points in your latest post are also valid.

    I just wanted to point out how unlikely the prospect is of the Leafs making the playoffs based on a statistical analysis.

    The beautiful dreamer comment wasn't aimed at you rather at the admittedly huge miracle that you described.
  37. Natalie R from Canada writes: Martel,

    I figured that you didn't mean to offend me. And I didn't mean to sound offended, because I wasn't. I just get a little bit too enthusiastic when it comes to making a point.

    I think we can both agree that the Leafs have a slim chance of making the playoffs. And that they have been playing amazing hockey lately.
  38. Tim H from Canada writes: martel why do u keep droning like an unwanted fly on these leafs thread? why dont u just stay on the sens thread? why cant u be more like gidiot and just STFU?
  39. Allan Martel from Canada writes: Tim H

    I post here so that people like you might learn something about tolerance, wit, charm, and basic politeness.

    You might hear me as a droning fly but if you took your fingers out of your ears you would instead hear sound analysis - but then again, where else could you put those fingers?
  40. Tim H from Canada writes: martel...you to me are nothing more than a buzzing fly that needs to be ignored on these threads...

    buzzz buzzzz buzzzzz...

    a fly who thinks his buzzing is the sound of intelligence....lmao

    give up the act, mcfly...ur passive aggressive posts belong on the turd thread...
  41. Tim H from Canada writes: and one last thing allan the fly martel...sound analysis? u call ur m0r0nic prediction of hockey game outcomes sound analysis? can u remember how many times uve eaten CROW in these threads?

    now go buzzzzzz near the horse$h1t that ur team just excreted last night

    shoo shoo
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