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Raptors bounce back

LARRY MILLSON

From Thursday's Globe and Mail

Latest comment posted at 9:05 PM EST 06/03/08

Bosh-less Toronto turns up the heat on lowly Miami; Bargnani leaves game after flagrant foul knocks him to the floor, Larry Millson writes ...Read the full article

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  1. JOHN PALANDRA from Toronto, Canada writes: Full marks to Bargs for getting up and hitting his free throws after getting a cheap shot from a guy who is probablly 10 days away from being waved. What constitutes getting ejected from a game, because i dont understand how you can throw a flying elbow at an opponent and not get tossed. I just hope he's feeling well because he fell really hard, and as a raptor fan we have seen are fair share of horrific injuries (Ford, Garbo, now Bargs).
  2. Roger S from Canada writes: Oh, boy, Miami look horrible, they are playing for lottery pick for sure. Moon seems to have knacks on Marion, good job. Gave credit to Andrea for taking hits, then made free throws. And Jose is back, Calderon for MVP!!!!
  3. Roger S from Canada writes: Oh, boy, Miami look horrible, they are playing for lottery pick for sure. Moon seems to have knacks on Marion, good job. Gave credit to Andrea for taking hits, then made free throws. And Jose is back, Calderon for MVP!!!!
  4. Archie Gillespie from cowtown, Canada writes: Roger, if you're saying Jose is back then you're suggesting he was "gone" for a while which, we can consider indirectly from you, an actual negative comment about Jose. Congrats...I'll guess we'll take that for what it's worth and crack a beer in celebration. Go Raps, hope AB is okay.
  5. andy c from Canada writes: figures the one game i miss this week is a blowout. so what exactly happened to bargs?
  6. Roger S from Canada writes: Andrea was knocked down by 10-day contractor from Miami. The guy never intended to play the ball.
  7. Roger S from Canada writes: Archie, Jose Calderon's statement:

    http://www.josemanuelcalderon.com/docs/080229_ben.pdf
  8. andy c from Canada writes: Rog, thanks for regurgitating what JOHN P posted. so i ask the same question, exactly what happened?
  9. Roger S from Canada writes: Kind of air traffic accident. Andrea was driving to the basket along baseline, I believe he tried to dunk, then he collided with a guy called alexander johnson in mid air. Elbowed first then knocked down to the ground. I think Andrea will be OK.
  10. andy c from Canada writes: thanks rog. i'll try and find a highlight of it
  11. JOHN PALANDRA from Toronto, Canada writes: What made the play hard to watch Andy was that after recieving the elbow underneath his eye, when he hit the ground, his neck snapped back and the back of his head hit the floor very hard. Overall it was just a cheap shot from someone who obviously lacks respect for a fellow NBA player's health.
  12. C Ta from Richmond Hill, Canada writes: I'm surprised they didn't mention whether tests were performed to determine if Andrea suffered a concussion. Surely that'd be more dangerous to his health.

    I wonder if the injury will mean less of a focus for Bargnani to drive the ball now.
  13. andy c from Canada writes: just saw it on TSN. the guy at least can look like/making an attempt for the ball. on a side note dirk got suspended a game for trying to take AK47's head off so i'm guessing that's the minimum.
  14. Archie Gillespie from cowtown, Canada writes: Blurb on the Raptors site says no concussion, x-rays of the cheek negative but three broken teeth. AB is gonna have a big a$$ shiner and be missing a few teeth...like a grizzled defenceman from another sport eh?
  15. Roger S from Canada writes: To be honest Raptors need to step up and play tough defense like Dirk did. You can't let people drive and lay up at will, and for perameter defense, you can NOT allow your oppenents to pick and roll too easily. This is another priority to address in Playoffs.
  16. Roger S from Canada writes: Finally, Toronto Star starts to take shots at TJ Ford he deserves. Back-up job leaves Ford in a funk http://www.thestar.com/Article/309937
  17. Yertu Damkule from Canada writes: relief. not that a win vs. miami constitutes much, but they had to win that one, and played much better, given the last 3 'efforts,' than i anticipated. they just seemed more relaxed, confident in themselves & each other, and trusted their abilities. best game i've seen from moon in months, he really did a good job on marion...though you have to wonder if marion was one of the guys riles was talking about. i don't think there was a bad game by a raptor. i like how the media are calling the barg's foul a 'collision,' without mentioning that it was, essentially, a jimmy snuka flying elbow...(SUPER - SUPER - SUPERFLY!!!!!!).

    now, they really need to bear down & get the next couple at home before heading west.
  18. Allan Wexler from Canada writes: While the shot on Bargnani was hard, I've seen a lot worse in the NBA. What made it severe was the fact that his head did a double dribble off the floor. But Bargnani showed me something last night when he got up, spit out some blood and coolly made 2 free throws. Miami is really down now. TJ looks to have some issues with the fact that he has been relegated to a substitutes role. And I hope everyone saw that Sam sat him a lot more than usual, likely a response to his "I can shoot more often than you" attitude from the night before. And, again, AP played great, with little fanfare. Even Maceo and Rasho looked like All Stars.
  19. Larry Boutilier from Sydney Forks, Canada writes: Its hard to believe Bargnani doesn't have a concussion the way his head
    bounced off the floor. It could have been much more serious.It could have been the END of his career. Looks like the Raps need to carry a knife
    for protection next time in Miami. Lets face it, it was no coincidence
    that the hit was against a 7 foot white european.
  20. JOHN PALANDRA from Toronto, Canada writes: On a totally unrelated topic, has anyone tried to visit nbadraft.net lately? What gives, i enter thye website and i get something that pops up blocking my access saying i need a login id and password. I know longer get access to the site, and i have no way of aquiring login information, im so confused. Please tell me this is the case for someone else other then me.
  21. JOHN PALANDRA from Toronto, Canada writes: Larry you raise an interesting debate, would Johnson have commited the same foul on Bosh? I'd hate to think that Bargs was targeted because of his race, but i cant honestly say it would surprise me either.
  22. Stevie Dee from still just a gringo in Mexico, Canada writes: OK, it is very clear to me that Roger S is in fact 2 (and maybe more) people. How does one's grammar go from brutal one day, to perfect the next? Sort of like Barg's game actually!
  23. Yertu Damkule from Canada writes: i must have missed roger's day of perfect grammar...
  24. warren standerwick from North Vancouver, Canada writes: As he went to the hoop, Bargnani was hit by what appeared to be Johnson's elbow — "I don't remember," Bargnani said &8212; and went down beneath the basket and appeared to hit his head on the floor.

    "Appeared"???? What is that trying to communicate to the reader? Slow motion confirmed without doubt, what real time "appeared" to show- that Bargnani was hit very hard by a clear shot elbow to the face (that produced cuts and bruising) and landed on the floor with such force that his head bounced. There was 0.0000% evidence that Bargnani was milking the incident in hopes of getting the flagrant foul called.
  25. Archie Gillespie from Canada writes: Roger's 9 year old nephew must be rewriting his posts, after all, he could coach better than Sam. By the way Roger, out of politeness you should really provide us your nephew's name considering how much you reference him.
  26. Stevie Dee from Canada writes: Heh Yertu,

    Just noticing the difference from the normal "TJ suck when enter game and shoot so many like shots that raptors loose. Sam not know what to do with TJ who like his boyfriend".

    to today's second post:

    "To be honest Raptors need to step up and play tough defense like Dirk did. You can't let people drive and lay up at will, and for perameter defense, you can NOT allow your oppenents to pick and roll too easily. This is another priority to address in Playoffs."

    Maybe not perfect, but actually a coherent thought!!! Actually, just occurred to me that Roger was Yoda in a past life!
  27. One For All All For One from Canada writes: Question: What do you think the over/under is for 3's attempted by Kapono for the rest of the season?

    I believe he has only tried one in the past 12 games.
  28. D D from Canada writes: The hit could either be a blessing or a curse...as a blessing, maybe now Bargs will toughen up and be a force in the paint rather than a maid with a feather duster...or as a curse he will turtle up even more and camp out at the 3 line to completely avoid contact.

    I really hope they have him work on dribbling 2 or more times on his drives from outside...he is a half step short of the rim on 1 dribble, and by that time he is committed to his move...no chance for direction change, and the result is usually a weak attempt at a layup. His ball fakes are rather clumsy too.
  29. Yertu Damkule from Canada writes: oh yeah, that one...he lost me with the 'play tough defense like Dirk did' comment though, i must not have noticed the grammar wasn't half-bad. look, dirk's a great offensive player, and he's not nearly as bad defensively as he once was...but getting frustrated & putting the lumber to someone (& costing himself a 1-game suspension) doesn't necessarily qualify as 'tough defense.' tough defense is using solid positioning, hustle, anticipation, etc. to limit your opponent's opportunities. giving a hard foul here & there is necessary, but both dirk & johnson crossed a line.
  30. Big Cayman from South Toronto, Canada writes: Maybe Rog is Bargnani and the hit knocked some sense into him so now he cal spell. I was a little bit confused when watching the slow motion replay and seeing Bargs grab the opposite side of his head after he was hit. Maybe the initial hit was not that bad as opposed to his head bouncing the ground afterwards. Exaggerating contact is a hallmark of European sports and hoops is certainly no exception (notwithstanding Barg hitting the back of his head on the floor.) Obviously the blood in the mouth and cut on the cheek indicate a falgrant foul. Johnson should get suspended for a game like Dirk did.
  31. Yertu Damkule from Canada writes: isn't exagerating contact part of basketball in general, regardless of where the player doing the exagerating is from? how many charges do you see called if the player trying to draw the foul doesn't flop backwards? i've been playing for 25 years, and have never once seen a ref call an offensive foul when the defender didn't exagerate the contact, even if it's only a little. if you want a good laugh, look around on youtube for flops...there's an awesome one of baron davis here & horry here & others. ginobili seems to be the only euro prominently on display.
  32. C Ta from Richmond Hill, Canada writes: C'mon, now, gents. Constantly insulting Roger's grammar does nothing to further your posts and in fact, makes you appear to be a bully. The guy's probably an immigrant (as most of us are), so English may not be his first language. No need to show up one another because of that.

    But you're right about one thing, Dee. There may be some pseudo Roger S posters. One way to tell that it's him for sure? Since there are no IP addresses displayed, I suggest watching for the double posts -- usually the first is unformatted with the second having the correct line spacing.
  33. JOHN PALANDRA from Toronto, Canada writes: I have to agree with Yertu on this one Big C, all players exagerate calls, not just euros.
  34. Big Cayman from South Toronto, Canada writes: Flopping is not part of basketball, falling backwards after taking a charge is not flopping, If you were to move backwards you could not be said to be 'set' and if you hold your ground then you risk injuring yourself and the other player, so you example is a little disingeneous Yerts. When I say flopping a mean faking that you are hurt, acting in short. I know it happens in all ball/puck team sports but in European soccer its the biggest cancer. Unfortunately I've lived in Europe and its quite disgusting enough that there are penalties in place there if you're judged to be flopping. You saw it in the last world cup and a certain European team played extra dirty tricks and sullying what sportsmanship is all about. We are not at that point in basketball in North America, so let's not pretend that flopping is the same on both sides of the pond. I saw it in Basketball over there too, even on the team that I played (which was more multicultural than the Raps I might add), and I can tell you while I would not consider it to be a matter for any league office, it is certainly on a whole other level over there.
  35. Yertu Damkule from Canada writes: yeah, falling backward when drawing a charge isn't necessarily a flop, and is absolutely necessary if you want to draw the charge. of course, there are plenty of guys who embellish that contact to the point where it is a flop...it's a fine line (sometimes) between simply allowing the play to happen and reacting naturally, and purposely looking to create a call. what bugs me is the assumption that guys who draw charges flop...anyone who's played knows that, when one guy moving runs into a guy who's stationary, the guy who's stationary is going to move backwards (unless there's a big size difference). i guess i simply reacted to your assumption, BigC, or perhaps insinuation, that bargs was playing the contact up. what i saw was a guy who was stunned initially from the forearm to the side of his face, then reacted normally after his head bounced off the floor...it's a weird feeling, like your head is exploding, and what i saw was bargs simply grabbing his head. methinks you're reading too much into it.

    hey, C Ta - give it time, you'll understand why we react to rog like we do.
  36. Roger S from Canada writes: Don't worry. It's OK. This is friendly board.
  37. Big Cayman from South Toronto, Canada writes: You are right Y it is absolutely a fine line. I will never know what went through Bargs head and its silly for me to get bent out of shape over little details, like they ones I brought up but at the last Olympics the reffing was atrocious: You know the play where someone strips the ball cleanly out of a player's hands who is dribbling and or driving to the basket and the player who is stripped throws his hands up flailing in the air like there was contact? Its rampant in Europe to the point where they should be giving out Emmys. Yes it happens hear too but I've seen amateurs and pros alike in Europe throwing themselves on the court after such a play on numerous occasions, and its that type of thing which leads to steretyping Euros as soft. It was good to see Bargs take it like a man and go out and drain the FT, but yes, after the initial contact, not the fall, I was a little suspicious. Still though as I said above a game suspension for the flagrant foul is deserved.

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